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amberfocusFunny that ages ago I wrote a drabble with the title Eleventh Hour dealing with Ten's regeneration into Eleven. Anyway, I've watched the new episode Saturday on my own and then again on Sunday with the whole family and despite some very obvious flaws I liked it a great deal. It smacks a bit more of Old Who than New Who and despite the special effects budget, it really seemed as if the aliens were far more cheesy than anything I've seen since Old Who. I'm very curious as to who these jailers were if their space ship has a giant human eyeball on it. Why not an alien looking eyeball? Unless somehow or other the Atraxi are humans and then even threatening to incinerate Earth would be stupid. I don't know, I have issues with weird things like science and sensibility and continuity that obviously the writers and developers of Who have never had.
In a lot of ways I felt like this episode had been written for David Tennant and not for Matt Smith. You could have taken Matt out and plopped David in and there wouldn't have been any difference. I don't think it was the acting that was at issue, I think MS was simply acting to the script and the script was written with Ten still firmly in SM's mind. I did find the constant stealing from SM's previous plots annoying on both watchings. Even the Doctor saying he had a craving harkened back to Nine and The Empty Child where he's looking for Rose and says he was looking for a specific blonde and didn't just wake up with a craving. It was a bit jarring to see that coming out of Eleven's mouth. That was the first thing that made me twinge a little. Not the last. Of course I see some parallels with Girl in the Fireplace, but that was really the least of things, that he bounced into and out of Amy's life a few times. Also the crash landing was pretty much exactly like the one in TCI only with the TARDIS landing on her back.
There was one point where MS jumped over something and if it hadn't been for the face I would have sworn it was David. The body action was exactly the same. I mean exactly. Maybe it's just that Matt is tall and gangly too, but again, it jarred me out of the show for a second. It didn't help in distinguishing Ten from Eleven that they left him in David's clothes for so long. I also didn't really like him tasting the shed to determine how old it was. True he didn't do the whole big long lick thing that Ten was famous for, but I don't recall Nine ever tasting anything like that, nor any of the other Doctors, so it felt like a specific to Ten thing showing up in Eleven and it felt wrong. Add to that the cowboys speech almost identical to the GiTF cowboy speech, and all the comatose patients suddenly talking in unison like all of the gas mask zombies in The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances, and a speech pattern that is recognizably Ten's and I got yanked out of the plot far more often than I liked. Using a phone to save the world harkens back to what Ten did in Rise of the Cybermen (and I don't think that was even one of Moff's episodes) and the images of all the Doctors was lifted from the episode The Next Doctor. I liked it, especially Eleven walking through the final image, but it still felt like a copy not an original bit of writing.
All of the spitting out of food was pretty irritating after the first couple gags and not because it was childish and gross but because for a children's show and as a parent I found it pretty irresponsible to show someone just throwing out so much food. The world's in a recession/depression right now, but let's just throw out enough food to feed a family for a couple of days because it tastes bad to one person? Gee, someone else in that house might have eaten it. Ever hear of Tupperware and the fridge, Doc? Ah, maybe not. Also, asking a seven year old to fry you up something on the stove? Very, very irresponsible for a 900 year old alien who's had children of his own! I don't know if Moff has kids or not, but I'm doubting it after that bit of writing.
I did like the frisbee bread and plate thing, but again, throwing away a plate because you don't like the food on it? Yeah. Maybe it's just the mother in me, but I can't see that going over well if one of my kids did that after seeing it on DW. And the Doctor just dumping water on the floor so he could use the glass to listen to the crack in the wall? There wasn't that much in there, he could have just drank it. All in all, the whole food and water thing showed massive disrespect to other people's property and possessions. I know the Doctor can be self-centered but he's usually a bit more respectful. I mean, Ten at least realized when he stuck his fingers in someone else's marmalade and Rose gave him a look that hey, maybe that was a faux pas. I also absolutely hated the finger snapping to open the TARDIS. I always have. I laughed at the remote beep like a car to open it that David did because it would make sense he might actually do something like that and it was cute, but the finger snapping that started with Forest of the Dead has always, always smacked of extreme arrogance to me and I did not want to see that sort of arrogance in Eleven.
Okay, so what did I like? Well, quite a lot actually. Matt Smith can act. The kid has mad skills. But I knew this from seeing him in the two Sally Lockhart movies with Billie Piper. And Party Animals. I'm not sure I really call what he did in SDoaCG acting, but he was charming in it anyway. I don't think the role is going to be too big for him at all, but I certainly hope he makes it his own pretty quickly. Despite all the recycled plot bits that kept jarring me out of the show, Matt was able to bring me right back into it again with his acting and that's quite a tribute to his skills. I loved the grappling hook to climb out of the TARDIS after he crash landed. It made sense. Also loved that the swimming pool was now in the library because of the crash. I hope that means we'll actually see something outside of the console room this time around.
The child playing Amelia was brilliant. She kept up with him and her facial expressions were fantastic and very realistic. I've seen them on my kids' faces plenty of times.
Karen Gillan can also act her socks off. Her character is perky and funny and tough yet very feminine and sexy. A really good mix in both a woman and a companion. I have no doubt she'll be a beloved companion for the audience and I may end up liking Amy more than Eleven. Much as I love the Doctor, I love Rose more and I can very easily see this happening with Amy, too. Amy reminds me of what Donna might have been as a young woman. Tough, ballsy, and stuck in a dead end job and maybe not seeing any way out but using her assets to get the most out of life that she can. I also loved that she didn't do what she was told and that she had to see things for herself and make up her own mind. That bodes well for the whole wandering off thing. And I don't think she screamed once. At least I don't remember it, even when she saw the multi-form and all its teeth.
I don't know which other people will be reoccuring characters or if Moff even plans visits home like Rose had with RTD. If they do, though, I hope to not see a rehash of the Rose/Mickey situation. Yes, Amy ran off the night before her wedding without a word to her fiance which is a lot worse than what Rose did because at least she said good-bye to Mickey and he knew she was going. There was an extreme lack of respect there, but I would argue that going with a man the night before your wedding when you know his timing is rubbish and not calling your fiance to let him know is much worse than that.
I don't want to see a bunch of posturing about it when she doesn't get back in time between Eleven and her fiance. I don't buy for a minute that Eleven has more than child-like affection for her (child-like because he met her when she was a child, not that he's child-like) at this point so a jealousy thing would feel false. And I don't know whether that fiance is Rory or possibly Jeff, because Eleven told Jeff he could write his own ticket after this basically and so after two years if he became important and successful he could be the fiance although I hope not because internet porn boy seemed sort of useless and at least Rory was smart and thinking and knowing stuff was going on that shouldn't be. And also Rory was a nurse and I liked that. A man who is confident to have a career in a field normally dominated by women is awesome, and a tiny bit shocking coming from SM. I wonder if we might see two companions on the TARDIS. I'd like that. I miss the days of two or three companions on the TARDIS.
Speaking of the TARDIS, I love the new interior. Well, most of it. I didn't care for the typewriter on the console, but other than that I love it. I've seen some better photos of it in some magazine scans than what they showed in the episode which was mostly just the console. The time rotor was a huge surprise and I didn't even notice it until the second watching. I like it, though it reminds me a bit of Lux's bong lamp on Life Unexpected. Still, it's neat. The inside is very orange though. It reminds me of the incubation light the ducks and chicks are under, but other than that it's really a pretty orange glow. The console looks a bit steampunk and fantastic but I do have to wonder (again the mother in me) about fingerprints on all that glass or persplex. They're gonna be cleaning that floor all the time, which tells you there probably wasn't a woman in on the redesign.
I actually liked the plot a lot and the action sequences and the fact that Eleven stole a firetruck and texted Amy to duck at just the right moment. I liked that the alien monster had trouble getting the voices right when he made the man with the dog bark or the child speak with the grownups' voice and vice versa. That was a nice bit of character development for the alien. I liked that the Doctor told Amy to look in the mirror when she wasn't sure how she was going to clear the building because it was a nice common sense moment and there aren't always that many of them on Who.
I went into this series with high hopes and I still have them. They weren't crushed by the Moff and they weren't crushed by the acting. I can see Matt becoming the Doctor if they take the writing further away from Ten. I hope they do. He's a good enough actor he doesn't deserve to be saddled with bad character development and bad writing. I had enough of the underwritten and wrongly written character with what they did to poor Martha. She could have been so much more as they proved on Torchwood when they finally let her awesome show through completely, instead of writing her as a lovesick, mopey Rose replacement. She didn't get to shine until the end of season three. I want Matt to shine now, not towards the end of the season.
In a lot of ways I felt like this episode had been written for David Tennant and not for Matt Smith. You could have taken Matt out and plopped David in and there wouldn't have been any difference. I don't think it was the acting that was at issue, I think MS was simply acting to the script and the script was written with Ten still firmly in SM's mind. I did find the constant stealing from SM's previous plots annoying on both watchings. Even the Doctor saying he had a craving harkened back to Nine and The Empty Child where he's looking for Rose and says he was looking for a specific blonde and didn't just wake up with a craving. It was a bit jarring to see that coming out of Eleven's mouth. That was the first thing that made me twinge a little. Not the last. Of course I see some parallels with Girl in the Fireplace, but that was really the least of things, that he bounced into and out of Amy's life a few times. Also the crash landing was pretty much exactly like the one in TCI only with the TARDIS landing on her back.
There was one point where MS jumped over something and if it hadn't been for the face I would have sworn it was David. The body action was exactly the same. I mean exactly. Maybe it's just that Matt is tall and gangly too, but again, it jarred me out of the show for a second. It didn't help in distinguishing Ten from Eleven that they left him in David's clothes for so long. I also didn't really like him tasting the shed to determine how old it was. True he didn't do the whole big long lick thing that Ten was famous for, but I don't recall Nine ever tasting anything like that, nor any of the other Doctors, so it felt like a specific to Ten thing showing up in Eleven and it felt wrong. Add to that the cowboys speech almost identical to the GiTF cowboy speech, and all the comatose patients suddenly talking in unison like all of the gas mask zombies in The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances, and a speech pattern that is recognizably Ten's and I got yanked out of the plot far more often than I liked. Using a phone to save the world harkens back to what Ten did in Rise of the Cybermen (and I don't think that was even one of Moff's episodes) and the images of all the Doctors was lifted from the episode The Next Doctor. I liked it, especially Eleven walking through the final image, but it still felt like a copy not an original bit of writing.
All of the spitting out of food was pretty irritating after the first couple gags and not because it was childish and gross but because for a children's show and as a parent I found it pretty irresponsible to show someone just throwing out so much food. The world's in a recession/depression right now, but let's just throw out enough food to feed a family for a couple of days because it tastes bad to one person? Gee, someone else in that house might have eaten it. Ever hear of Tupperware and the fridge, Doc? Ah, maybe not. Also, asking a seven year old to fry you up something on the stove? Very, very irresponsible for a 900 year old alien who's had children of his own! I don't know if Moff has kids or not, but I'm doubting it after that bit of writing.
I did like the frisbee bread and plate thing, but again, throwing away a plate because you don't like the food on it? Yeah. Maybe it's just the mother in me, but I can't see that going over well if one of my kids did that after seeing it on DW. And the Doctor just dumping water on the floor so he could use the glass to listen to the crack in the wall? There wasn't that much in there, he could have just drank it. All in all, the whole food and water thing showed massive disrespect to other people's property and possessions. I know the Doctor can be self-centered but he's usually a bit more respectful. I mean, Ten at least realized when he stuck his fingers in someone else's marmalade and Rose gave him a look that hey, maybe that was a faux pas. I also absolutely hated the finger snapping to open the TARDIS. I always have. I laughed at the remote beep like a car to open it that David did because it would make sense he might actually do something like that and it was cute, but the finger snapping that started with Forest of the Dead has always, always smacked of extreme arrogance to me and I did not want to see that sort of arrogance in Eleven.
Okay, so what did I like? Well, quite a lot actually. Matt Smith can act. The kid has mad skills. But I knew this from seeing him in the two Sally Lockhart movies with Billie Piper. And Party Animals. I'm not sure I really call what he did in SDoaCG acting, but he was charming in it anyway. I don't think the role is going to be too big for him at all, but I certainly hope he makes it his own pretty quickly. Despite all the recycled plot bits that kept jarring me out of the show, Matt was able to bring me right back into it again with his acting and that's quite a tribute to his skills. I loved the grappling hook to climb out of the TARDIS after he crash landed. It made sense. Also loved that the swimming pool was now in the library because of the crash. I hope that means we'll actually see something outside of the console room this time around.
The child playing Amelia was brilliant. She kept up with him and her facial expressions were fantastic and very realistic. I've seen them on my kids' faces plenty of times.
Karen Gillan can also act her socks off. Her character is perky and funny and tough yet very feminine and sexy. A really good mix in both a woman and a companion. I have no doubt she'll be a beloved companion for the audience and I may end up liking Amy more than Eleven. Much as I love the Doctor, I love Rose more and I can very easily see this happening with Amy, too. Amy reminds me of what Donna might have been as a young woman. Tough, ballsy, and stuck in a dead end job and maybe not seeing any way out but using her assets to get the most out of life that she can. I also loved that she didn't do what she was told and that she had to see things for herself and make up her own mind. That bodes well for the whole wandering off thing. And I don't think she screamed once. At least I don't remember it, even when she saw the multi-form and all its teeth.
I don't know which other people will be reoccuring characters or if Moff even plans visits home like Rose had with RTD. If they do, though, I hope to not see a rehash of the Rose/Mickey situation. Yes, Amy ran off the night before her wedding without a word to her fiance which is a lot worse than what Rose did because at least she said good-bye to Mickey and he knew she was going. There was an extreme lack of respect there, but I would argue that going with a man the night before your wedding when you know his timing is rubbish and not calling your fiance to let him know is much worse than that.
I don't want to see a bunch of posturing about it when she doesn't get back in time between Eleven and her fiance. I don't buy for a minute that Eleven has more than child-like affection for her (child-like because he met her when she was a child, not that he's child-like) at this point so a jealousy thing would feel false. And I don't know whether that fiance is Rory or possibly Jeff, because Eleven told Jeff he could write his own ticket after this basically and so after two years if he became important and successful he could be the fiance although I hope not because internet porn boy seemed sort of useless and at least Rory was smart and thinking and knowing stuff was going on that shouldn't be. And also Rory was a nurse and I liked that. A man who is confident to have a career in a field normally dominated by women is awesome, and a tiny bit shocking coming from SM. I wonder if we might see two companions on the TARDIS. I'd like that. I miss the days of two or three companions on the TARDIS.
Speaking of the TARDIS, I love the new interior. Well, most of it. I didn't care for the typewriter on the console, but other than that I love it. I've seen some better photos of it in some magazine scans than what they showed in the episode which was mostly just the console. The time rotor was a huge surprise and I didn't even notice it until the second watching. I like it, though it reminds me a bit of Lux's bong lamp on Life Unexpected. Still, it's neat. The inside is very orange though. It reminds me of the incubation light the ducks and chicks are under, but other than that it's really a pretty orange glow. The console looks a bit steampunk and fantastic but I do have to wonder (again the mother in me) about fingerprints on all that glass or persplex. They're gonna be cleaning that floor all the time, which tells you there probably wasn't a woman in on the redesign.
I actually liked the plot a lot and the action sequences and the fact that Eleven stole a firetruck and texted Amy to duck at just the right moment. I liked that the alien monster had trouble getting the voices right when he made the man with the dog bark or the child speak with the grownups' voice and vice versa. That was a nice bit of character development for the alien. I liked that the Doctor told Amy to look in the mirror when she wasn't sure how she was going to clear the building because it was a nice common sense moment and there aren't always that many of them on Who.
I went into this series with high hopes and I still have them. They weren't crushed by the Moff and they weren't crushed by the acting. I can see Matt becoming the Doctor if they take the writing further away from Ten. I hope they do. He's a good enough actor he doesn't deserve to be saddled with bad character development and bad writing. I had enough of the underwritten and wrongly written character with what they did to poor Martha. She could have been so much more as they proved on Torchwood when they finally let her awesome show through completely, instead of writing her as a lovesick, mopey Rose replacement. She didn't get to shine until the end of season three. I want Matt to shine now, not towards the end of the season.
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Date: 2010-04-05 11:11 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-04-05 11:19 pm (UTC)You have made me have more thinky thoughts. You point out a few things I hadn't considered like the licking and the was probably written for DT/Ten - in the writer's tale RTD says something about the Moff already having started writing while Season 4 was being written - but I also think about the interview with Jacqueline Rayner about "The Stone Rose" where she said that writing Nine and Ten was very much the same apart from a few catch phrases and what set them apart was the performance - obviously things separated as they went on but yeah.
The child Amelia is actually Karen's cousin - might be the beginnings of an acting dynasty that.
Besides the things in the story that pulled me out of the episode (like the costume for too long, the constant recycling of GIFT et al and the stupid finger snap opening) I thought the CGI was somewhat distracting too - the photography was 'shinier' more movie like I think but then the difference in the quality of the CGI pulled me right out of the experience again and again. I'm sure it wasn't actually low budget CGI, but it was not the same standard as the practical effects and photography for sure.
I went into things dreading the Moff - I still have serious reservations about him but go Matt and Karen and he's welcome to change my mind - I dare him to in fact - overall I did enjoy the episode though.
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Date: 2010-04-05 11:28 pm (UTC)Maybe if they do write him farther away from Ten I wouldn't feel so much like he was an impostor. I did like Matt a great deal but I wasn't convinced he could fill the shoes.. But you do bring a good point, write for HIM and not David and you would stand a better chance in my book.
I LOVE LOVE LOVE Amy already! Especially as a child!
The mother in me had some cringy moments as well. But I did love his insanity.. Which is a lot like 10, but he did that well. Sucks about wasted food, but I admit I did laugh pretty hard at that scene.
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Date: 2010-04-06 12:03 am (UTC)In regards to the TARDIS intereior and fingerprints, if some fanfics are to be believed she's self cleaning so maybe there's no need to worry, or maybe Gallifreyan technology is superior and there won't be fingerprints.
I agree though, I want to see Matt shine.
I rather enjoyed the episode, including the thing with the other DOctors, although it had been done in TND, I thought it was kind of an interesting way of introducing him as the new one.
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Date: 2010-04-06 12:37 am (UTC)And of course Amy reminded me of Donna, i'm starting to wonder if that's intentional.
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Date: 2010-04-06 02:01 am (UTC)As to the callbacks/Ten-ness...well, I could see it being an equal problem if they didn't have any of that, you know? If they tried to pretend that the DT era had never happened, the show would just feel wrong; he left a pretty impressive pair of shoes to fill. Trying to get a crowbar separation between the two from moment one might have felt artificial. But I do agree that they need to work to distinguish Ten and Eleven more clearly in future episodes. Ever since the initial MS photos came out, I've been kind of surprised that they didn't do more work to distinguish them visually right out of the gate, as the big-haired geek chic thing only heightens the similar build of the actors. So they really have to make it happen in the writing.
I definitely agree on the Amy love...I was fully prepared to hate her character, but she seemed to blend the best qualities of Rose, Martha, and Donna while still being her own person. (Also, Karen Gillan did a stunning job with her, and was absolutely gorgeous while doing it. I'm just happy that DW still has someone sexy, skinny, and Scottish on the show!)
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Date: 2010-04-06 02:01 am (UTC)A lot of them are similar to what I was thinking in my head at the time. (I watched it twice as well. Once by myself and the next with my best mate) I had those cringe "mum moments" and I don't even have the excuse of being a mum.
I still am very optimistic about this series and I do like both the Doctor and Amy. (Especially little Amelia she was spot on for the part) And I refuse to acknowledge or think on the kiss I saw in the preview between the two, until it is properly explained and in context. (As I am of a like mind to you as to the nature of their relationship)
And shamelessly I'll use the end of this comment to mention that I can't wait for the next chapter of 'Leap of Faith' to be posted. : )
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Date: 2010-04-06 02:28 am (UTC)BUT! i will say i am intregued by the crack in time thing (although that too is another vote saxon type thing which i believe is referenced back to the library episode in s4) and what came up on his little monitor in the tardis which he shut off quickly. the sonic screwdriver opening the crack in time (that seems a bit odd dunnit?) so i'm up and down with the whole thing. i like a lot of amy, although her watching the doctor get undressed (plus him getting undressed right there) was a bit off key from what we've seen on the show before) so like i said i'm still up in arms on what to think on the show. but they certainly had me thinking tennant a lot of the way thru. (oh and did you notice the use of analog clocks in the hospital and through out?)
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Date: 2010-04-06 02:32 am (UTC)I'm not sure I like the "Geronimo" line but if he uses it sparingly it wont get too annoying. And instead of the hair ruffling he likes to smack himself on the forehead. I also didn't like the coming back so late, years too late over and over. I can understand the first time since the Tardis was injured and repairing herself. (though if she can do that to her interior, it's funny she can't fix the chamelion circut.) I did notice Amy did not say "it's bigger on the inside" I will admit to wincing very strongly every time a new explosion happened in the Tardis. I was attached to that old interior as much as I was to our tenth doctor. I really didn't like the typewriter in the console. and the rest will take some getting used to. I think some of it was bits of pieces and retro that you get from some of the older versions of the tardis. There was even a coat rack in the corner. It's still organic but more technical and shiny than the other one. It'll take some getting used to more than Matt Smith.
I definitely like Amy. She is a strong character and only screamed once when face to face with prisoner 0's true form and all those teeth. But the rest of the time she really held it all together wonderfully, though I do have to question her judgment going away with him when he's gotten his timing so horribly wrong every time he's promised to come back. (especially if she's getting married tomorrow) It's worse than when he took Rose away for a year. Then again she was obsessed with him since she was a child and this might have been her only opportunity to take advantage of her childhood dreams. After all the Doctor was amazingly accurate with getting Martha home on time.
I didn't like the alien ship with the giant eye. I swear that thing looked like a villain from one of my Japanese based adventure games form my playstation.
I do admit to having a theory about why most of the time the Doctor gets it wrong. Nearly every time he gets it wrong, he has to save the world. Even when he got Rose's time wrong they stopped the Slytheen. I almost always figured that either his sense of time lines was working subconsciously to get him where he was needed or the Tardis was acting on her own a bit to pull him in the right direction, to where he was needed. not all the time but when times really call for it. After all an older Tardis was rather twitchy. I'm sure newer Tardisis (Tardi?) were better controlled with tech, after all they are grown and obviously sentient. Okay that's enough out of me, you've pretty much said the rest. I'm still gonna miss DT but I can certainly grow to like Matt. Still David was my doctor, much like others have a favorite doctor.
I'm still hoping you might be inspired to do a 10th Doctor one shot in honor of David Tennant's Birthday on the 18th of April.
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Date: 2010-04-06 12:40 pm (UTC)the clothes thing didn't bother me too much, he spent more than half the episode locked out of the Tardis. so he didn't have access to fresh clothes and Tennant saved the world in borrowed pajamas and a satsuma on his first go around. and in his defense it wasn't the full 10 Doctor uniform, no jacket or long coat, though I did find it odd everything else was shredded but the tie seemed to be in good shape.
still don't trust a man who doesn't like apples.though I wonder if he still like bananas. that lasted through two regenerations
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Date: 2010-04-06 09:11 pm (UTC)(Sorry to ask, but I'm a latecomer to the fandom...my only excuses are Americanness and grad school.)
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Date: 2010-04-07 04:32 am (UTC)warning do not drink any beverages while watching either of these. I've had milk squirt out my nose from laughing. too hard
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Date: 2010-04-06 04:22 pm (UTC)Also agree that there were some disturbing themes in this episode - yeah, let's teach kids to invite strange men into their houses and cook for them, letting them tear apart your kitchen. Also, poor Amelia left on her own and then growing up to be a kissogram? Was the kissogram part necesary? I know he wanted to show she was messed up but...I dunno, I think there were plenty more subtle ways to do that in a kid's programme. And Moff has kids!
I think that's ultimately what the epside was lacking. Subtlety. There were some wonderful parts ofc, like the actual dialogue between Amelia/Amy and Eleven and the one-liners I've come to know and love Moff for, and I took the harks back to his previous episodes as homages, introducing the series again with something familiar to ease transition, but the design of the spaceship and the alien in it's true form were not well thought through and seemed obvious, sloppy and forgetful. Because really, they were secondary to an already thick plot surrounding Amy and Eleven's relationship.
Still, good episdoe all in all. I just hope either Moffat writes more 'Blinks' or at least matches RTD's greatness cos there are already too many fans that think RTD was TERRIBLE and the sun shines out of Moff's backside and I'd hate to see such fans rebel and be disappointed yet again...they can get vicious.
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Date: 2010-04-11 11:30 am (UTC)I guess it's not totally unlikely that he would keep some character quirks...