Hugs and Moans (no it's not smut, so stop it, you know who you are)

[amberfocus]

I need hugs.  Specifically Doctor/Rose hugs.  I'm looking for your very favorite hugging icons.  If my readers would be so lovely as to respond to this post with their favorite Nine/Rose or Ten/Rose or both hug icons, I would be so very, very happy.  Thanks, lovies.

And also, is it evil of me to wish a life changing event on Stephen Moffat that prevents him from manning the helm of Doctor Who in 2010?  Because he's moving right up there in the want to slap him even more than RTD line, but for a far better reason.  Does he really have to insult Rose?  Does he not like the female portion of the fandom?  *grumbles*  Something akin to dropping him in a deep dark hole and only allowing him out to write one brilliant episode a year (like Blink) and making him stay in there if he tries to introduce another love interest would be good.  This is why:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/tv/article1493528.ece

At this point I wouldn't even be adverse to him winning the lottery if it meant he'd stay away from Who and stop Rose bashing.

Comments

[herk227.livejournal.com]

I'm sorry to disagree here amberfocus.

As much as I love Rose in fanfic and loved her in season 1 (Yay for Eccleston!Doctor) I think he has a point there. Rusty did write her a needy girlfriend, who pines after the Doctor and can never be happy without him (so he gives her Clone!Doctor as a sextoy, how degrading is that).
The whole return of Rose in season 4 was kind of pointless (like the whole companionreunion in the TARDIS) and if they can't write her a decent story I'd prefer they dont write her at all and leave her for talented fanficwriters (such as yourself) to play with.

[amberfocus.livejournal.com]

Hey, I haven't heard from you in ages. How are you doing?

As for Rose, I think the Doctor was just as needy as she was. They were both a big ball of needy messiness. He could write her properly. He did in The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances. He can write strong women. He just chooses not to with her since then and then badmouths her. That's what bothers me. But feel free to disagree, I have no problems with other opinions. *smiles*

[tripocket.livejournal.com]

Moffatt reminds me of a guy that's still peeved about being teased so now he's taking it out on whoever he can. He's working through his, "I was the geeky guy no one wanted to go to prom with" issues. My guess is he would slam Tennant if he thought he could get away with it. I mean in my opinion he's even been disrespectful to RTD and he's the reason Moffatt has his dream job in the first place.

Sorry I have my own issues with how nasty and petty Moffatt has been, and that was before he slammed Rose.

[amberfocus.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I've felt he's been disrespectful to a lot of Who related people and things in the past, and then gets out of it by saying he was just kidding. Seems to be what people say when they want to speak their minds but not get into trouble for it, really.

[doctorsdiva.livejournal.com]

I think deep down Moffatt knows he can't write fluffy Rose and so has to make a reason why she won't come back. His women are always slightly predatory - Reinette, River, even Rose in the Doctor Dances.

Also it seems that they want the Doctor to be alone, in fact Julie Gardener said so in the Dr Who confidential that followed JE. Why would anyone want that - we all know he needs Rose!

[amberfocus.livejournal.com]

You know, I don't get this need for him to be alone and miserable. The series is better when he's happy. He doesn't have to be perfectly happy, but I loved most of season 4 when he had Donna and they were silly and enjoying life. It was goofy and fun and the best of Who is always fun. Yes, there should be thrills and chills as well, but it needn't be always in the dark. There's a reason season 3 is so uneven and uncomfortable and it's not Martha Jones. It's emo!Ten.

[sunnytyler001.livejournal.com]

Rose haters are going to LOVE it, are they? I can see them celebrating their victory.
Duh! I don't care. Rose is safe in Pete's world, with her family and Ten II. They're happy and very much in love. And travelling in the New Tardis.
The Doctor. Inside the tardis. With Rose Tyler. As it should be.
We KNEW Moffat wouldn't bring Rose back. And his misogyny is well known too.
He can call Rose needy, have you met River Song?
His Eleven is going to be a jerk with an even bigger god complex, snapping at his oldest and most loyal friend and starring down at armies.
NOT my Doctor. Not Rose's Doctor.
I don't think Rose would be at her place by this new man's sides.
Maybe, in an Alt!world, where he hasn't push her away towards his other's self wating arms, he didn't become like that.
But that's fan fiction, now...
*snif*
About Moffat insulting Rose, I heard, he was joking... Well, weird sense of humour, don't you think?

[amberfocus.livejournal.com]

Probably.

I don't know. He's always saying things and then saying he was just kidding. Tends to be a defense mechanism in people who don't want to own up to their insults, in my experience.

[nattieb.livejournal.com]

She was too needy? Hello, did he forget all about Emo!Doctor from season 3 that moped around that Rose was gone? *rolls eyes*
I am so not happy right now.

[amberfocus.livejournal.com]

Me, neither. And Nine was far more needy than Rose when they met. There's a difference between loving someone and wanting to be with them and the way he seems to use the word neediness.

[maniacalshen.livejournal.com]

Hug icon!

That Moffat particular comment, as it happens, was delivered tongue-in-cheek by all accounts. rabid1st made a similar post here and started receiving corrections in a few places.

I mean, I still don't like how that man handles women in his episodes (River was one giant WTF, especially the part where an adventuring archaeologist's perfect afterlife is a house and children what?), but I still don't take that one line too too hard.

[amberfocus.livejournal.com]

He just says so many things that he later backs out of in these little interviews by saying he was joking and it rankles with me. It's very disrespectful to me for a man who makes his living off of Who to constantly make snarky comments. I really don't like the way he writes most women. I had real issues with the pretty girl who was stupid in Silence in the Library and then when he made her ugly her IQ went up. Or what he did to Donna. Take her out of the one episode and then plant her a fake life, again the marriage and children perfect life.

[amyo67.livejournal.com]

WHy is everyone so on about Rose being needy? Hello River SOng, Martha Jones, ring any bells? I Didnt think Rose, even at her neediest, was ever as bad as Martha was depicted, and she(Martha) was done a great disservice if you ask me.
Anyway, that's my opinion.

[hermya.livejournal.com]

No I think you're right. Martha as we've seen in season four is a fantastic character, full of wit and such potential. But season three made her out to be a needy stalker. I hated it, and, for that reason I didn't actually watch most of season three and still actually can't bring myself to do it.

[hermya.livejournal.com]

I think Moffett has a few too many issues and chooses to take them out on us.

Thats my two cents anyway.

I am slightly worried with what he's going to do what is essentially supposed to be a family show. A lot of season four wasn't really family friendly, I mean thats what Torchwood is for isn't it. Dr Who is supposed to be the middle ground between TW and SJA, but with Moffett at the helm we could see this funny great show go down the pan as he attempts to remake what RTD has built.

I for one hope he doesn't do that. Also regarding the Julie Gardner comment, why does the Doctor have to be unhappy? Is that what we're teaching the youngsters that watch this show, that being happy isn't something that is attainable?

[amberfocus.livejournal.com]

Oh, I just said almost the same thing to your comment above. But yes. I so agree.

[thette.livejournal.com]

It sort of makes me glad RTD made sure Rose (who's his Mary Sue, no offense meant) is "safe" from Moffat in the parallell universe.

[thette.livejournal.com]

Moar hugs!

[rebeccaclark.livejournal.com]

I think it's like the Daleks - they shouldn't keep bringing them back, it's just not realistic anymore, but with Rose, the BBC have had the guts to put their foot down, and more power to them!

That's not to say I don't adore Rose, because I do. I'm here, no? :P What I do think they should be doing (and I'm quite angry that they aren't) is have more Eccleston/Rose books written. I'd even take Tennant/Rose, if they kept the writing quality up. This they could do realistically, and make a lot of fans happy.

Sorry, no hug icons from me :(

[amberfocus.livejournal.com]

Oh, I am so freaking sick of the Daleks, don't even get me started on them. I've never liked them, never gotten what the fuss was about. So they're a little more bling now and can go all floaty, but how many times can you wipe them from existence and have them come back? It's ridiculous.

I wish desperately they would write more Nine/Rose books. There were not enough. There weren't even enough Ten/Rose books.

[sammie28.livejournal.com]

So it's not really a hug, but it's my favorite. It's a manip made by angdelia.

As for SM...I don't know much about UK newspapers, but from what I understand, "The Sun" is more "National Enquirer" than "Washington Post". Designed to stir up at every opportunity. From what I've read from others, it was cleverly taken out of context and made to sound serious.

I also don't always trust print quotes. They have entire courses on how the media reports, particularly with how they think the public will take the information, and to be honest, I'm not entirely impressed. I've seen quotes taken straight out of context - in one article, a man (who, if anyone met his mother and his wife, would NEVER have been able to accuse him of dominance or misogyny) who made a crack at his (male) tennis partner got turned into a misogynistic threat.

I would put more in stock in how SM writes episodes than what a tabloid reporter said. Sure, Rose was kind of needy in the Reinette episode; but this was also Rose who saved her and carried a big gun. SM wrote Rose trying to save a little boy, and who, when she discovered she's flying through the London Blitz makes a crack about her tee-shirt and her cell phone, and manages to con the conman temporarily. This is the same guy who said in "Confidential" for "DD" that the subtext of the show was that the Doctor is hopelessly in love with Rose and trying to impress her.

He sounds like he'll just do anything for a laugh; his tongue-in-cheek "explanation" for how the "EC" tape recorder ended up with an English doctor during WWII had me laughing. As Barrowman said afterwards, "Your nose is now a mile long!"



I'm more concerned about his habit of making the Doctor fall in love with everyone who seems to cross his path.

Still, I'm glad RTD gave closure to the Rose storyline. The Doctor isn't RTD's, but Rose is, and I'm not sure I would have trusted Rose with someone else, SM or otherwise.

[amberfocus.livejournal.com]

Lovely icon.

I know the Sun isn't the best, but the thing is, he is always making these snarky comments, even on DWC and then backpeddaling and I just get so tired of it. I think he's the needy one, has a need for attention.

I don't like him writing all these love interests either. The Doctor is not an intergalactic playboy.

[crimedoc1.livejournal.com]

*grin*

My computer totally agrees with you. Every time I try to open the Sun article about Moffit talking about "needy Rose", Firefox totally crashes!

And while my icon isn't a lovely hug, it is a lovely kiss - does that help? ;-)

[amberfocus.livejournal.com]

Yes, it does. Thanks. *grins*

[ageless-aislynn.livejournal.com]

I'm actually on a mission (as soon as I get caught up on comments and such ;) ) to add in a few more hugs icons because I just realized mine are more "serious" rather than fun. But in the meanwhile! *points over at icon*

And I also have this one which doesn't have an actual hug shown but it always makes me smile away:



By likethesun at likestarlight

And not showing any favorites, here's Nine also wanting to give out some hugs:



By lucius_admirer at stormfronticons



This one is mine and is waaaaaaaay too big for LJ size limits. ;) I'm going to cut it down and try to get it under the limit eventually! For now, I use it on one of the forum boards I'm a member of. ;)

And of course, I immediately thought of this one as soon as I read that interview the other day:



By angelfireeast

And 'nuff said. ;) I'm REALLY hoping he was just taken out of context and meant it in a joking way, which just didn't come across in print. However, the way that things went in the finale really made me feel like they were closing the door on all of the RTD-era characters like Rose, Martha, Jack and Donna and all of their families, so that everything after this will be a sort of clean slate (except for River; I have no doubt we'll be seeing her again :| <-- blank face smiley isn't betraying any emotion on that one ;) ). Like I said, that's just my feeling on it and I hope I'm wrong and we eventually get more and better resolution for Rose/human!Ten and Donna. *fingers crossed* ;)

And here's a *hugs* just for you before I go! ;) ♥!

[amberfocus.livejournal.com]

*grins* Thanks for all the lovely hugs.

[anepidemic.livejournal.com]

...don't know if you still want hugging icons....here's 9. Is it technically a hug if he's keeping her from hitting the ground?

[amberfocus.livejournal.com]

More of a hold than a hug, but I like it!

[anepidemic.livejournal.com]

...and here's 10 - even though this is David and Billie as opposed to D&R

[amberfocus.livejournal.com]

Close enough!

[txoktober.livejournal.com]

Not a hug, but oooh, that look....

I am disappointed to hear Moffat trashing anything about Davis's Doctor Who, that's just poor form. Very tacky indeed! Besides, he's got no leg to stand on with snoggy Reinette and UGH River Song in his repertoire.

[amberfocus.livejournal.com]

Yeah, that's a very, very good look he's giving her.

[wiggiemomsi.livejournal.com]

Re: "Hugs and Moans (no it's not smut, so stop it, you know who you are)"

OK, I am SO not going to feel guilty at your heading. Not me, nope, no way!

Found the perfect "hug" pic for you, which I nabbed from my friend shinyopals. Enjoy!

[amberfocus.livejournal.com]

Hee. Ah, action figure hugs. That is so cute.

[ladychi.livejournal.com]

Hello! I friended you, by the way... just seemed ridiculous to keep popping over here, hoping for updates when I could have you on my flist! Anywho.

I'm hoping... and have been reassured by a few folks, that Stephen Moffat was joking, but I think in a time when a lot of Who fans are feeling a little unsettled, it was more than a bit unsensitive and I'm still a bit peeved.

Fingers crossed he doesn't muck up Season Six. :) If we're calling the four specials a season... *so confused*

Oh... and... HUG icon for you!

[amberfocus.livejournal.com]

Okay. *smiles* He jokes a lot in this same negative fashion. That's what gets me when he says things like this and then "takes them back." Just frustrates me to have a man like that in charge of this show. Lovely icon, thanks.

[katecarter.livejournal.com]

I talked this over with Kathryn Shadow on Facebook and we're very irritated. She pointed out that River is WAY needier than Rose. So's Jack, and Martha...Rose is Miss "Hey, that looks interesting, let's wander that way" and how can you define that as needy?!

However, Billie Piper's pregnancy was news to us, so yay for her.

[amberfocus.livejournal.com]

Yeah, they really are. I mean, Rose has had her needy moments, but that's all they are. Moments. There's a lot more need in all of the other characters and in the Doctor himself.

[nina-ds.livejournal.com]

Catching up on my massive LJ backlog, and I'm amazed no one has offered this hug yet, even though it was cut out. It was so... overpowering.

A moving version:



And some others...

[amberfocus.livejournal.com]

Oh, I love these, especially the first one. Probably my favorite all time hug. I wish they'd kept it in. It was so nice.