Eppy Six -- My Thoughts -- Kinda Spoilery

[amberfocus]

Spoilery if you haven't watched eppy six of DW and my guesses (only guesses) to where things might be going.

So, I just finished eppy 6 of Doctor Who and I am so happy they didn't screw it up.   The thing that made me squee the most, though?  The diploid haploid thing when they were explaining how Jenny was created.  Now if you'll recall, I used the diploid haploid thing with Meiosis to explain the Doctor's disjunction into two distinct selves in Wolf Moon.  And now Doctor Who Skience has used it, similarly, but with a sort of twist to allow for an offspring.  Guess all my research was not too far off the mark.  Now it's canon almost! *giggles*  I can't help it, I love that.

I also think Jenny is Little Red Riding Hood and she's going to meet up with the big Bad Wolf!  I so think this is where we're going now and I hope so, because I think Jenny and Rose would get on well.  In fact, Jenny's energy and perkiness and fearlessness and self-sacrifice remind me a lot of Rose without Rose's attitude.  I could easily see her fitting in on the TARDIS later on in other seasons.

I'm not really sure if the Doctor was feeling love for his "daughter" in this episode so much as enjoying a companion and connecting with someone.  I think he might have let it turn to love, but I think his sadness was more the reaction of lost hope, again, then anything else.

I did love the fact that it had only been a week since the war had broken out and yet it had been several generations.  Donna was brilliant figuring that out and Martha was the same strong woman we saw with Torchwood, taking charge and finding her own way to the space ship.  Donna saying she wanted to stay with the Doctor forever was heavy foreshadowing and I'm pretty sure she just doomed herself by saying that.  Oh, I hope not, because I love her, and the only way I want to see her go is if she gives up her life so that Rose and the Doctor can be together, because I can see her sacrificing herself for that, or even taking Rose's place in the alternate universe at Torchwood or something.

The mark on the Doctor's hand after being in the machine that sampled his genetic strutcture was exactly the same as the mark on the hands of the gas mask zombies in The Empty Child.  After the "Are you my mummy," line last week that cannot be a coincidence.  And also a bit of a joke stretch with the Doctor being both Jenny's mummy and daddy. *snorts*

The regneration bit was weird, not a full regeneration, but maybe she was affected by the terraforming mix that had been let loose, bringing new life to dead things?  Because I think the Doctor would have known if she wasn't fully dead or if only one of her hearts had stopped.  I don't think she's fully Time Lord or he would have felt her wake up the moment she did.  I wonder if the partial regeneration is setting the stage for anything else, maybe something to do with Rose?  I can see the same incident occuring with Rose, him thinking she is dead, leaving her behind and then she wakes up.  Killing Rose (and all of his hope) without killing Rose.  Again.

Dunno.  It's all speculation and if you do know don't spoil me in the comments, please?

Comments

[nina-ds.livejournal.com]

I'm not really sure if the Doctor was feeling love for his "daughter" in this episode so much as enjoying a companion and connecting with someone.

I was torn between thinking it was better than I expected and that it was pretty much as lame as I expected, in terms of set-up. I think the "better" part was that Georgia Moffett is cute and perky but not obnoxious with it; and Donna, as usual, brought the awesome. The "lame" part was that it felt (as it apparently was) a bigger story cut down, and therefore it was almost like a series of scenes stuck together without having the emotional through-line it needed. Although given the set-up, I'm not sure that was going to be possible.

Donna saying she wanted to stay with the Doctor forever was heavy foreshadowing and I'm pretty sure she just doomed herself by saying that.

My thought was, "And please to not be dropping anvils that Donna's going to leave us, please." Okay if she leaves, but I have a feeling she's going to "leave us".

(edited to add a wee bit more clarity/context for my comments, as I am sleepier than normal for this time of night!)

[amberfocus.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I pretty much agree with you on all counts. Especially the Donna part. Don't want the anvils, either.

My theory.....if you want to hear it

[carcharodon87.livejournal.com]

Hello! I'm a big fan of your writing, and of Doctor Who (although I haven't seen the original stuff yet). I'm also a fan of trying to guess What Will Happen Next, so I just wanted to give you my thoughts and see what great ideas you and others could create from/with this. So here it goes: my theory is that at the end, we're gettin' new improved Time Lords or Gallifry is coming back.
The reason I say this is that there seems to be a theme of new life via cloning or terraforming in this season. Here's some interesting stuff:
Episode 1: Partners in Crime) Those cute little adipose. New life from fat. Doctor sorta gives Donna a "new life", too.
Episode 2: Pompeii) Giving that family they save a "new life". Also, weren't those magma monsters clones? Or were made from the original crash landing? (that bit's sorta shaky)
Episode 3: Ood) That guy was given a new life as an Ood, and the entire Ood race was sorta given new life as well, what with being freed and all. Maybe you could classify this as the planet being fixed/given new life?
Episode 4: Sontarans) Martha is cloned (creation of life there). Sontarans are cloned too, so creation of life there. Also, idea of fixing a planet (although it was the Sontaran idea of fixing a planet) is present.
Episode 5: Poison sky) Mr. Smarty-Pants Genius-boy (Luke was his name?) brings up idea of starting anew and terraforming. Also, the "Are you my Mummy?" joke. Mummys create life. Also, nanogenes "created" new race of gas mask zombies....sorta.
Episode 6: Daughter) Clones AND terraforming! New life abounds! Also, proof that Gallifryans can be cloned....but different, as Jenny's 'regeneration' proves. So.....new Gallifryans? New Gallifry? And the scar things again raises gas mask zombie points from episode 5.

Whew, sorry this is so long. But I hope people enjoy it and create their own ideas from this. I just love trying to guess the end of series; it's like a big puzzle!

Re: My theory.....if you want to hear it

[amberfocus.livejournal.com]

Well, thank you, glad you like my stuff.

Hmm...well...I'm almost afraid of your idea that the Time Lords might be coming back. This series has defined itself on the loss of the Time Lords and to think they'd go and change it all again, well...that would just annoy me. But you lay out a very good argument for the fact that they just might. All that stuff about new life...certainly give me a lot to think about.

[ravenclaw-devil.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I'm also glad they didn't screw up this episode. I agree with your thought that Jenny will be LRRH and help the Doctor get Rose back - didn't he say at one point that it needed more than one Time Lord to cross dimensions safely? - well now there are two Time Lords/Ladies.

I also completely agree with you about the anvils they seem to be dropping about Donna in this episode - I groaned aloud when she said that she wanted to stay with the Doctor forever and that she was never going to leave him. Rose said the same and look where she ended up - plus RTD has announced that one character will die at the end of the season - I think the anvils they are dropping are alluding to that, I only wish it would be Martha and not Donna because I actually like Donna.

[amberfocus.livejournal.com]

Yeah, he did say that. I'm wondering if the whole Doctor lite episode won't be about Jenny meeting up with Rose. It would certainly be interesting if it is.

I adore Donna, but I like Martha, too and don't want to see her die, either. Though if one had to go it wouldn't be Donna. Though I really, really want to see Martha back on Torchwood considering they'll have some shoes to fill.

[melnay13.livejournal.com]

Completely screamed when I saw his hand. I kept pointing at it, and my brother was like, "what?"

Yep, had the same thought about little red, as you. Great minds think alike;)

I'm not sure about Rose and Jenny. The Rose Tyler of Series 1 would have been fiercely jealous. Series two Rose? Well, she was just enjoying her bond with him, and I'm not sure she would have been comfortable with her. But Rose of Pete's world has been on her own for a while, and I would like to believe has gotten stronger, and more secure.

Have you noticed the dircetion of conversations with Donna? He always seems to be able to tell Donna just a smidge more than he was ever able to tell Rose. He's up front and honest with her, where he was vague and secretive with Rose. It just goes to show how his charcter has grown, and the strength of their friendship. I promise, it's like When Harry Met Sally without the sexual tension. I love the way the writer's have carved Donna out. She's become this amazingly compassionate character who doesn't mind giving the Doctor lip. Almost everything she's done or said has been a reflection of some action by Rose, and that makes me wonder if she might switch places with her.

And I loved that she named Jenny. It was perfect.

[amberfocus.livejournal.com]

Oh, I did, too. Exactly the same thing I did when I saw the back of Rose's head before she even turned around in eppy one. Just pointing and going, ooo, ooo, ooo.

I'm hoping Rose has matured to the point where she wouldn't be jealous of the Doctor's other companions and she did tell him to find someone. Yeah, he seems to really be able to talk to Donna. I don't think he's afraid of getting too close to her like he was with Rose and that may make the difference right there. I'm thrilled with the way they write Donna. It's how I've been writing her for the past 8 months and I like that it matches up.

[ageless-aislynn.livejournal.com]

I am SO loving Donna, I've actually really been surprised at how much! I love that she had so much compassion for Jenny and that she was the one to think of checking her heartsbeat (or however you'd express that sentiment, lol! ;) ).

Oyyyyy, I also started doing the whole "Nooooo, don't say 'forever,' Donna!!!!" dance of doom when she said that line. *sigh* Probably if I hated her character she'd be safe but since I love her... *pets Donna* Guess I'll just keep on enjoying her while she's here and just wait and see how it all turns out! ;)

The regneration bit was weird, not a full regeneration, but maybe she was affected by the terraforming mix that had been let loose, bringing new life to dead things? Because I think the Doctor would have known if she wasn't fully dead or if only one of her hearts had stopped. I don't think she's fully Time Lord or he would have felt her wake up the moment she did.

I wondered about all that myself. :S Especially considering that the TARDIS took off running as soon as she detected her (even though she landed before Jenny was "born" and thus had a nice little paradox), it seems strange that Jenny came back and the TARDIS didn't know about it! o_O I think the terraforming must've done something to interfere or just cause some sort of "weirdness" that kept the TARDIS from sensing her return. I was totally waiting for a "new" Jenny to sit up but was kinda glad she stayed the same actress. ;)

That wisp of golden vortex that came from her mouth was pretty much identical to that that came from the Doctor's mouth in TCI, wasn't it? And that was attributed to... *runs to check* being woke up too early and his regeneration not being done. Hmmm, interesting... ;) ♥!

[amberfocus.livejournal.com]

Donna's brilliant. I wish she was going to be on for another season or five. With Rose. If I could have my way and all.

I'm very curious as to what they intend to do with Jenny now.

[katecarter.livejournal.com]

I have to agree with all the Donna-loving going on. Although I flinched when Donna said that about wanting to stay forever. Knowing that she leaves at the end of the series...well...poor, poor Donna...I will miss her.

I thought they did an all right job on it. I really loved the character of Jenny and can't wait to see her again. She's a sassy miss, reminds me of one of my favorite kids to babysit. I'm also looking forward to the explanation of how she came back to life.

And I think that the Doctor was definitely beginning to accept Jenny. I don't think it was fullout love, because I don't think there was enough time for that, but I do think he was seeing some of her traits that were similar to his own and appreciating that fact. I just think a lot of his initial resistance was because while she was biologically created from him, she wasn't really a daughter in the traditional sense. He had no choice in the production of her and he had no emotional attachment to it. And it just reopened too many painful memories.

I really loved getting to see superAngsty!Doctor in this episode though...there's just something so sexy about it. It makes you want to hug him and tell him it'll be all better...

[amberfocus.livejournal.com]

She's awesome. I hope they do explain how she came back. It's be just like them to skip over it entirely. I dunno about seeing him angsty again, myself. I got awfully tired of it last year and I've been thrilled to have bouncy, happy, hyper Doctor back. Though I do agree with the hugging part. *girns*

[sunnytyler001.livejournal.com]

Lol! Great minds think alike!
I asked Georgia Moffet on the DWO forums last night about Jenny & Rose and she told me that they did have lots of similarities and that they would have been great friends.
I think Rose will not be human anymore when we'll see her again. I feel like they're giving the great ressourceful very human wannabe with the Doctor forever companion part to Donna...
Plus, remember what Donna said about the Doctor being with a non gallifrean? Not allowed by his people. And that's true... The Time Lords were not really fond of humans.
As it looks like Rose is going to have the "love interest" part now, and as she is the Bad wolf (or Rose plus, if you like it better.. lol), the writers might change her nature... and let her become a Time Lady (or sort of)...
And when you know that the Christmas companion is called Rosita, you just wonder if they won't make her regenerate...

[julisana.livejournal.com]

Not allowed by his people. And that's true... The Time Lords were not really fond of humans.

Isn't the doctor himself half human? And wasn't Susan even more human?

It's not like they've never done it before.

[amberfocus.livejournal.com]

What do you mean by not human? Do you mean immortal like Jack or something else?

[sunnytyler001.livejournal.com]

I don't know.
The Bad wolf is quite a powerful thing and it looks like we have not seen the last of it!

[salimali.livejournal.com]

"" I also think Jenny is Little Red Riding Hood and she's going to meet up with the big Bad Wolf!""

Good theory, I've been wondering who that could be.. (do you watch DW Confidential? DT said some interesting hints in that)

""Donna saying she wanted to stay with the Doctor forever was heavy foreshadowing and I'm pretty sure she just doomed herself by saying that""

Again see comment about DWC


And the regeneration thing- it could be like in The Christmas Invasion, she was within the first 15 hours of her regeneration cycle and therefore could heal herself??>?

The other thing I was wondering was, when she woke up, surely the hand would start bubbling away and the Doctor would 'feel' her in his head..
I don't know anything for certain but I'm loving this series and last night was just epic x

[amberfocus.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I do watch it, when I can find it to download. Finally got to see this one and he was being a little smirky there with his hinting. Yeah, I'd think so about the hand and the feeling her in his head, unless she's not fully a Time Lord and maybe her telepathy isn't there?

[julisana.livejournal.com]

lol here's my stupid theory that I don't really believe but it just popped into my head and is funny and i can't stop this sentence it's going to kill us all!

Anyway. Rose = Jenny + Full Regeneration + Chameleon Arch?

:D

[amberfocus.livejournal.com]

Now, that's just weird. *smiles* Though it'd make a great AU fanfic!

[angelbev21.livejournal.com]

Hey, there! Finally saw the eppie and I have to say what's on my mind...I think it could have been better. I've been picking up on a lot of the clues myself and I just had a 'Wow' moment and had to say out loud, "No, she di-in!" when Donna tells the Doctor he's wrong about being alone and never having children/family again. Major bells went off in my head; leave it to her to be the Auger here. The only two things that got me with the whole episode was 1)the Hath going under the goo and Martha going on about its death, it was a fish, right? And 2) The Doctor should know more about his physiology and knowing to wait other than asking Martha whether she was going to make it and regenerate (case in point: The 1996 Doctor Who Movie). I mean, come on! I should be writing this show! (shameless plug, chapter 2 of .Com up and running-lol!) Better yet, YOU should be writing this show! The action/adventure guys might not like our slightly more emotional/angst version (don't snort here, we'll just label the parts that are NC-17, that all adults must wear their 3-D glasses) but it definitely would be keeping everyone's attention like flies on a sticky trap! It also got to me that I just knew the Old Guy was going to pull out a real gun to do some real damage because he wants the real war to continue because that's all he knows, yet everyone else has those new nifty guns that pulsed. Pl-ease!

Ok, I'm off my soapbox now and can't wait for next week's Agatha Christie venue....Can't wait for your newest as well...keep up the great work!!!!

[amberfocus.livejournal.com]

Yeah, it could have been better, it was not fully developed at all. Should have been a two-parter, I think. Yeah, that whole thing with the old man was completely telegraphed. Disappointed me a bit. I don't like predictability.